Comments on: In short: Women suck, Batman rulez. http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2008/07/22/because-clearly-batman-is-the-true-victim-here/ politics, media, culture and life from a queer boricua in brooklyn Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:51:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Links for July 28, 2008 « Doing Feminism http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2008/07/22/because-clearly-batman-is-the-true-victim-here/#comment-52612 Links for July 28, 2008 « Doing Feminism Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:45:36 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=224#comment-52612 [...] AngryBrownButch: In short: Women suck, Batman rulez. “I will admit that when I saw these reports this morning, I had that brief moment of disbelief - “Him? Could he really do that?” - that is so common when apparent “good guy” actors get accused of stuff like this.” [...] [...] AngryBrownButch: In short: Women suck, Batman rulez. “I will admit that when I saw these reports this morning, I had that brief moment of disbelief - “Him? Could he really do that?” - that is so common when apparent “good guy” actors get accused of stuff like this.” [...]

]]> By: PseudoAdrienne http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2008/07/22/because-clearly-batman-is-the-true-victim-here/#comment-52467 PseudoAdrienne Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:42:33 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=224#comment-52467 "<i>[...]people so quick to absolve a man and condemn women[...]</i>" <i>Meh</i>. At least they let you know right off the bat how much of a misogynist they are, so you can avoid- and ignore them. "<i>guilty until proven innocent</i>" Unless a person is in the potential jury-pool and a case is going to trial, I'd say one is safe to express all the prejudiced reservations about a particular incident--and its accused and accuser--as they want. Really, how many of these apologist-whiners who come out of the woodwork whenever an incident like this come up, are residents within the jurisdiction of these cases' <i>voir dire</i>? “[...]people so quick to absolve a man and condemn women[...]”

Meh. At least they let you know right off the bat how much of a misogynist they are, so you can avoid- and ignore them.

“guilty until proven innocent”

Unless a person is in the potential jury-pool and a case is going to trial, I’d say one is safe to express all the prejudiced reservations about a particular incident–and its accused and accuser–as they want. Really, how many of these apologist-whiners who come out of the woodwork whenever an incident like this come up, are residents within the jurisdiction of these cases’ voir dire?

]]> By: Dex http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2008/07/22/because-clearly-batman-is-the-true-victim-here/#comment-52465 Dex Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:09:25 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=224#comment-52465 Yes, very important point, Jack re: the not-so-arbitrary parts of it. Yes, very important point, Jack re: the not-so-arbitrary parts of it.

]]> By: Jack http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2008/07/22/because-clearly-batman-is-the-true-victim-here/#comment-52464 Jack Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:59:19 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=224#comment-52464 Totally agreed, Dex. All of these judgments on whether celebrities are bad are good are indeed really arbitrary, though probably tinged with not-so-arbitrary biases based on looks, race, class background, etc. Totally agreed, Dex. All of these judgments on whether celebrities are bad are good are indeed really arbitrary, though probably tinged with not-so-arbitrary biases based on looks, race, class background, etc.

]]> By: Dex http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2008/07/22/because-clearly-batman-is-the-true-victim-here/#comment-52455 Dex Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:01:08 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=224#comment-52455 And - this incident really just reinforces for me the tiresome, obnoxious, and childish nature of a celebrity culture where people feel that they can and must weigh in on the personal lives and motivations of famous strangers we don't know AT ALL except through bulls**t gossip, as if we all have a personal stake in definitively declaring someone like Christian Bale to be A Good Person. I was reading a thread today where commenters were basically trying to piece together a psychological profile through quotes and snippets from trashy celebrity gossip rags and websites, and I just got fed up. And it's all so arbitrary. "Oh, but I've had a crush on him since I was 12, and he's always seemed so nice to his wife and is so sweet with his daughter..." --> Good Guy. "Ew, he's so NAST and just *looks* like a frat boy sketchbag. He so did it." --> Bad Guy. They're just people, folks, people that we don't know s**t about. It's okay to admit that our ideas of them are based largely on fantasies, and that our opinions of their private lives, and whether or not we like them, are pretty much founded on empty images. (It doesn't mean that at the end of the day, I'm going to stop swooning over, say, Morgan Freeman. It's just knowing that I don't actually have a clue about what he's really like or what makes him tick.) And - this incident really just reinforces for me the tiresome, obnoxious, and childish nature of a celebrity culture where people feel that they can and must weigh in on the personal lives and motivations of famous strangers we don’t know AT ALL except through bulls**t gossip, as if we all have a personal stake in definitively declaring someone like Christian Bale to be A Good Person. I was reading a thread today where commenters were basically trying to piece together a psychological profile through quotes and snippets from trashy celebrity gossip rags and websites, and I just got fed up.

And it’s all so arbitrary.

“Oh, but I’ve had a crush on him since I was 12, and he’s always seemed so nice to his wife and is so sweet with his daughter…” –> Good Guy.

“Ew, he’s so NAST and just *looks* like a frat boy sketchbag. He so did it.” –> Bad Guy.

They’re just people, folks, people that we don’t know s**t about. It’s okay to admit that our ideas of them are based largely on fantasies, and that our opinions of their private lives, and whether or not we like them, are pretty much founded on empty images.

(It doesn’t mean that at the end of the day, I’m going to stop swooning over, say, Morgan Freeman. It’s just knowing that I don’t actually have a clue about what he’s really like or what makes him tick.)

]]> By: Dex http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2008/07/22/because-clearly-batman-is-the-true-victim-here/#comment-52453 Dex Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:42:47 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/?p=224#comment-52453 Thank you. Whatever went down, this situation gives me a sad feeling for a bunch of reasons. But what's the worst is what you pointed out - people jumping to defend their *hero* and directing anger and blame at the mother and sister. If people want to say "innocent until proven guilty" (which I would, y'know, hope they would extend to people who aren't "Batman"), sure, fine. But then turning around and trying to point the finger at the complainants? Doesn't follow and is just plain messed up. Thank you. Whatever went down, this situation gives me a sad feeling for a bunch of reasons. But what’s the worst is what you pointed out - people jumping to defend their *hero* and directing anger and blame at the mother and sister. If people want to say “innocent until proven guilty” (which I would, y’know, hope they would extend to people who aren’t “Batman”), sure, fine. But then turning around and trying to point the finger at the complainants? Doesn’t follow and is just plain messed up.

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