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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ramon Reyes</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/12/30/transphobia-in-feminists-clothing/#comment-53561</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramon Reyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VERY,....very well written and thought out. In the mid eighties I thought things were changeing and I thought AT LAST!!! Then to see that HOPE slip away. I believe the AIDS virus had a lot to do with that castration to the gender oppressed movement. To be told and doctrinized that you are (mostly) genetically male. Therefore you must be and act to the male conforms that make-up the socially acceptable male. IS utterally cruel. I am woman shackled and imprisoned by body and the (moral?) majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VERY,&#8230;.very well written and thought out. In the mid eighties I thought things were changeing and I thought AT LAST!!! Then to see that HOPE slip away. I believe the AIDS virus had a lot to do with that castration to the gender oppressed movement. To be told and doctrinized that you are (mostly) genetically male. Therefore you must be and act to the male conforms that make-up the socially acceptable male. IS utterally cruel. I am woman shackled and imprisoned by body and the (moral?) majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/12/30/transphobia-in-feminists-clothing/#comment-32072</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If folks are interested in these issues, Julia Serano expands on them a bunch in her new book Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity. It's not totally there on issues of race, but I still got tons out of it and highly recommend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If folks are interested in these issues, Julia Serano expands on them a bunch in her new book Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity. It&#8217;s not totally there on issues of race, but I still got tons out of it and highly recommend it.</p>
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		<title>By: Imogen</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/12/30/transphobia-in-feminists-clothing/#comment-31191</link>
		<dc:creator>Imogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks for writing about this. I like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for writing about this. I like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen S</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/12/30/transphobia-in-feminists-clothing/#comment-18262</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, um, no, it is not open to post op Transwomen.  That was amply pronounced last summer by Lisa Vogel's letter. While I wish it were not true...it is, and I will respect this edict.  If I wish to claim my right to define my own identity, I must recognise it in others.  I know who I am, and what I have lived through.  I realise that some women have other opinions as to what has happened in my life.  Let's talk. 

Yes, I myself am  a "post-op" transwoman (if you really must know) and while the Harry Benjamin Syndrome idea is certainly interesting, it is innacurate to say that it is anything more than a theory, right now.  We just do not know.  Yet We know the processes involved in brain development.  What actually results, is still in the hypothetical stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, um, no, it is not open to post op Transwomen.  That was amply pronounced last summer by Lisa Vogel&#8217;s letter. While I wish it were not true&#8230;it is, and I will respect this edict.  If I wish to claim my right to define my own identity, I must recognise it in others.  I know who I am, and what I have lived through.  I realise that some women have other opinions as to what has happened in my life.  Let&#8217;s talk. </p>
<p>Yes, I myself am  a &#8220;post-op&#8221; transwoman (if you really must know) and while the Harry Benjamin Syndrome idea is certainly interesting, it is innacurate to say that it is anything more than a theory, right now.  We just do not know.  Yet We know the processes involved in brain development.  What actually results, is still in the hypothetical stage.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/12/30/transphobia-in-feminists-clothing/#comment-18112</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interresting  the Michigan Womans festival is now open to post-op.T. Just found out the other day that I'm no longer a transsexual. I'm now classified as a inter-sex person. That comes from HBS  (Harry Benjiam Syndrom. Look up HBS on the inter-net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interresting  the Michigan Womans festival is now open to post-op.T. Just found out the other day that I&#8217;m no longer a transsexual. I&#8217;m now classified as a inter-sex person. That comes from HBS  (Harry Benjiam Syndrom. Look up HBS on the inter-net</p>
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		<title>By: A.J. Luxton</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/12/30/transphobia-in-feminists-clothing/#comment-8923</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J. Luxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 00:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The same people who hold those views also have a very nasty habit of putting ftm’s in the ‘victim’s’ place in some sort of patriarchal agenda, what with insisting we’re deluded, which I consider a nice way to say “Don’t blame them, because they’re still women.” It also occurs to me that they can’t think very highly of themselves if they place all women there. &lt;/i&gt;

I think I know where some of the "male privilege"-crying transphobia comes in with interactions between these particular cisgendered women and trans women.  I'm not sure, but I have a theory.  

People raised as male are generally taught that it's OK to hold opinions and defend them in certain sorts of ways.  They are not encouraged to think of themselves as victims, as acted-upon-helplessly-by-other-people.

A person with the victim viewpoint will frequently find themself in a position of difficulty in relating with people who don't assume they are helpless in various ways.

I've heard women being called complicit with the patriarchy for making their own choices, and caring to speak of them, many times.  I realize there is internalized sexism, and that I am predisposed to spend less worry on it than many people because of my own genderqueer status, but there is also a normative, one-true-female-way current that rides on the victim ticket and I have a truckload of problems with it.

To this viewpoint, when a female-assigned person says "I'm not helpless, I can take responsibility for my own choices" it's because xe's &lt;i&gt;internalized the patriarchy&lt;/i&gt;!  When a male-assigned person, who has entered a female identity, says (or acts like) "I'm not helpless, I can take responsibility for my own choices" it's because she's &lt;i&gt;carrying male privilege!&lt;/i&gt;  This logic reads "self-confident" as "male."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The same people who hold those views also have a very nasty habit of putting ftm’s in the ‘victim’s’ place in some sort of patriarchal agenda, what with insisting we’re deluded, which I consider a nice way to say “Don’t blame them, because they’re still women.” It also occurs to me that they can’t think very highly of themselves if they place all women there. </i></p>
<p>I think I know where some of the &#8220;male privilege&#8221;-crying transphobia comes in with interactions between these particular cisgendered women and trans women.  I&#8217;m not sure, but I have a theory.  </p>
<p>People raised as male are generally taught that it&#8217;s OK to hold opinions and defend them in certain sorts of ways.  They are not encouraged to think of themselves as victims, as acted-upon-helplessly-by-other-people.</p>
<p>A person with the victim viewpoint will frequently find themself in a position of difficulty in relating with people who don&#8217;t assume they are helpless in various ways.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard women being called complicit with the patriarchy for making their own choices, and caring to speak of them, many times.  I realize there is internalized sexism, and that I am predisposed to spend less worry on it than many people because of my own genderqueer status, but there is also a normative, one-true-female-way current that rides on the victim ticket and I have a truckload of problems with it.</p>
<p>To this viewpoint, when a female-assigned person says &#8220;I&#8217;m not helpless, I can take responsibility for my own choices&#8221; it&#8217;s because xe&#8217;s <i>internalized the patriarchy</i>!  When a male-assigned person, who has entered a female identity, says (or acts like) &#8220;I&#8217;m not helpless, I can take responsibility for my own choices&#8221; it&#8217;s because she&#8217;s <i>carrying male privilege!</i>  This logic reads &#8220;self-confident&#8221; as &#8220;male.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Responding To The Feminist Anti-Transsexual Arguments</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/12/30/transphobia-in-feminists-clothing/#comment-8915</link>
		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Responding To The Feminist Anti-Transsexual Arguments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There have been a lot of excellent responses to the thread at Twisty&#8217;s; some are direct rebuttals, others are just thoughts brought to the fore by the current mess. Some of the posts I especially enjoyed: Little Light, the entire discussion at Women of Color Blog, The Silver Oak Leaf, Angry Brown Butch, and Tiny Cat Pants.  Spotted Elephant has a good post decrying anti-disabled rhetoric used by some folks on both sides of this debate. (back)Cisgendered is a term meaning, roughly, &#8220;not transsgendered or transsexual.&#8221; (back)Remember when Betty Friedan argued against &#8220;The Lavender Menace&#8221;? (back)One prominent anti-gay-marriage blog, Family Scholars Blog, in effect banned all discussion of homophobia from its comments. Later on they banned comments altogether, which was probably a mercy for all concerned. (back)I think a lot of what I wrote about how white people react when criticized for racism also applies to many cisgendered feminists criticized for transphobia. (back) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There have been a lot of excellent responses to the thread at Twisty&#8217;s; some are direct rebuttals, others are just thoughts brought to the fore by the current mess. Some of the posts I especially enjoyed: Little Light, the entire discussion at Women of Color Blog, The Silver Oak Leaf, Angry Brown Butch, and Tiny Cat Pants.  Spotted Elephant has a good post decrying anti-disabled rhetoric used by some folks on both sides of this debate. (back)Cisgendered is a term meaning, roughly, &#8220;not transsgendered or transsexual.&#8221; (back)Remember when Betty Friedan argued against &#8220;The Lavender Menace&#8221;? (back)One prominent anti-gay-marriage blog, Family Scholars Blog, in effect banned all discussion of homophobia from its comments. Later on they banned comments altogether, which was probably a mercy for all concerned. (back)I think a lot of what I wrote about how white people react when criticized for racism also applies to many cisgendered feminists criticized for transphobia. (back) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the oh zone &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007, toe gingerly dipped in blogosphere: oprah, mental patient&#8217;s makeup, which feminism to choose, briton&#8217;s beer</title>
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		<dc:creator>the oh zone &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2007, toe gingerly dipped in blogosphere: oprah, mental patient&#8217;s makeup, which feminism to choose, briton&#8217;s beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]   AngryBrownButch tries to explain transphobia to the masses. Twisty talks about some stuff or other. Shannon hasn&#8217;t gotten past the stage of transmen- men with different body parts, transwomen- women with different body parts, so you can&#8217;t look to me to help you be enlightened. Maybe we should read books. Books solve everything. Sheezlebub(sp?) is angry about the too little too late response on twisty&#8217;s part. Blackamazon went away! and so did brownfemi! Waaa~ Also, JackGoff offended people. That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t drink. I can offend everyone while sober.     Today I woke up and felt guilty. I think it&#8217;s because I woke up at 11 o clock, but feel free to blame me for whatever. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]   AngryBrownButch tries to explain transphobia to the masses. Twisty talks about some stuff or other. Shannon hasn&#8217;t gotten past the stage of transmen- men with different body parts, transwomen- women with different body parts, so you can&#8217;t look to me to help you be enlightened. Maybe we should read books. Books solve everything. Sheezlebub(sp?) is angry about the too little too late response on twisty&#8217;s part. Blackamazon went away! and so did brownfemi! Waaa~ Also, JackGoff offended people. That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t drink. I can offend everyone while sober.     Today I woke up and felt guilty. I think it&#8217;s because I woke up at 11 o clock, but feel free to blame me for whatever. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/12/30/transphobia-in-feminists-clothing/#comment-8806</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Infantilization and dismissal seem to be the order of the day for those folks.  Thanks for reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Infantilization and dismissal seem to be the order of the day for those folks.  Thanks for reading!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/12/30/transphobia-in-feminists-clothing/#comment-8805</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I'm always up for a good internet spat.  :-)  Thanks for reading and responding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m always up for a good internet spat.  <img src='http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for reading and responding!</p>
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