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		<title>By: Frodo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hypoallergenic is the shit.</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-54238</link>
		<dc:creator>Frodo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hypoallergenic is the shit.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been jumping on and reading some of them, too.&#160; This one I hated the most, but this one I liked very much.&#160; Not that the dyke march is so much my scene, but I am interested in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been jumping on and reading some of them, too.&nbsp; This one I hated the most, but this one I liked very much.&nbsp; Not that the dyke march is so much my scene, but I am interested in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Trans Day of Action - Friday, June 27, NYC at AngryBrownButch</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-51979</link>
		<dc:creator>Trans Day of Action - Friday, June 27, NYC at AngryBrownButch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] demonstration and a strong celebration of our communities. It&#8217;s way more inclusive than the Dyke March in both the people it gathers together and the issues it addresses, and it&#8217;s obviously way [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] demonstration and a strong celebration of our communities. It&#8217;s way more inclusive than the Dyke March in both the people it gathers together and the issues it addresses, and it&#8217;s obviously way [...]</p>
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		<title>By: amberite</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-8926</link>
		<dc:creator>amberite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 05:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.  I just found your blog, and I'm really, REALLY glad that someone like you exists.

&lt;i&gt;It sucks that I’m so often forced to choose between the two, or that the choice is made for me when people make assumptions based on how I look or sound. It’s something that I deal with almost constantly - any time I meet someone new, speak to someone on the phone, or am forced to choose a gendered title like Ms or Mrs or Mr; any time that I walk into a public restroom and get the double-takes, the questioning, and eventual approval after I reluctantly say “Yes, I’m a woman;” any time someone calls my office asking for me after only reading my name in an email or on a website and I hear those few moments of confusion before they decide, “Oh, this must be a woman named Jack.” However, I’m fairly used to all of that. I expect it from mainstream society, and those low expectations make it a little easier to deal with.&lt;/i&gt;

I'm wondering if I'm going to wind up, eventually, as a man with a female name.  I have a female name and like it.  It's my chosen name, and it's not frilly, and I like it.  I would also like to grow a beard, and lower my voice.  Most likely this will wind up with me going by initials in common job situations etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  I just found your blog, and I&#8217;m really, REALLY glad that someone like you exists.</p>
<p><i>It sucks that I’m so often forced to choose between the two, or that the choice is made for me when people make assumptions based on how I look or sound. It’s something that I deal with almost constantly - any time I meet someone new, speak to someone on the phone, or am forced to choose a gendered title like Ms or Mrs or Mr; any time that I walk into a public restroom and get the double-takes, the questioning, and eventual approval after I reluctantly say “Yes, I’m a woman;” any time someone calls my office asking for me after only reading my name in an email or on a website and I hear those few moments of confusion before they decide, “Oh, this must be a woman named Jack.” However, I’m fairly used to all of that. I expect it from mainstream society, and those low expectations make it a little easier to deal with.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering if I&#8217;m going to wind up, eventually, as a man with a female name.  I have a female name and like it.  It&#8217;s my chosen name, and it&#8217;s not frilly, and I like it.  I would also like to grow a beard, and lower my voice.  Most likely this will wind up with me going by initials in common job situations etc.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-5883</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! Love your blog. Just letting you know that boston's dyke march includes queer allies and is a really fun time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Love your blog. Just letting you know that boston&#8217;s dyke march includes queer allies and is a really fun time.</p>
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		<title>By: AngryBrownButch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; post-post-Pride recap</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-5522</link>
		<dc:creator>AngryBrownButch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; post-post-Pride recap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The picture above, taken by kaitlyn is of me, with my sign, at the front of the Dyke March on Saturday. The side of the sign that&#8217;s visible in the picture reads, &#8220;Dyke March Committee: Am I welcome here? If I am, THEN SAY IT!&#8221; The other side has a list of check boxes next to the following words: woman, womyn, wimmin, genderqueer butch, dyke. The boxes next to woman, womyn and wimmin are X&#8217;d out; the boxes next to genderqueer butch and dyke are checked off. (If you&#8217;re confused as to the purpose of my sign, read what I wrote earlier about my thoughts on the Dyke March. The weird face I&#8217;m making is because, by this point in the march, my sign was nearly falling off the pole and was held fast primarily by chewing gum; I&#8217;m looking up at it and willing it to not embarass me by falling off during those few minutes that I spent at the front of the march. (It didn&#8217;t.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The picture above, taken by kaitlyn is of me, with my sign, at the front of the Dyke March on Saturday. The side of the sign that&#8217;s visible in the picture reads, &#8220;Dyke March Committee: Am I welcome here? If I am, THEN SAY IT!&#8221; The other side has a list of check boxes next to the following words: woman, womyn, wimmin, genderqueer butch, dyke. The boxes next to woman, womyn and wimmin are X&#8217;d out; the boxes next to genderqueer butch and dyke are checked off. (If you&#8217;re confused as to the purpose of my sign, read what I wrote earlier about my thoughts on the Dyke March. The weird face I&#8217;m making is because, by this point in the march, my sign was nearly falling off the pole and was held fast primarily by chewing gum; I&#8217;m looking up at it and willing it to not embarass me by falling off during those few minutes that I spent at the front of the march. (It didn&#8217;t.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-5240</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 05:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This shocks me that the NYC march and the Boston march have portrayed themselves so differently.  I know they are each run by individual boards of local "dykes"... but I would still think there would be some uniformity.  The Boston Dyke March invitation/flyer read "lesbians - dykes - bi-women - boychicks - tomboys - grrrls - lesbian moms - lesbianas femmes - butches - transwomen - androgs - queer women - gay girls - womanists - sororitygirls with pearls who are sleeping together - dykes on bikes - lesbian crones - african american lesbians - rural dykes - goddesses - poly girls - amazons - hippy chicks lipstick lesbians - asian dykes - lesbian avengers - dykes in wheelchairs - wise old lesbians - leather dykes - babydykes"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This shocks me that the NYC march and the Boston march have portrayed themselves so differently.  I know they are each run by individual boards of local &#8220;dykes&#8221;&#8230; but I would still think there would be some uniformity.  The Boston Dyke March invitation/flyer read &#8220;lesbians - dykes - bi-women - boychicks - tomboys - grrrls - lesbian moms - lesbianas femmes - butches - transwomen - androgs - queer women - gay girls - womanists - sororitygirls with pearls who are sleeping together - dykes on bikes - lesbian crones - african american lesbians - rural dykes - goddesses - poly girls - amazons - hippy chicks lipstick lesbians - asian dykes - lesbian avengers - dykes in wheelchairs - wise old lesbians - leather dykes - babydykes&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel S</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-5192</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a really good piece, and it reminds me of the reason I think it is better to organize around ideas than identities.  I'll take an ally of a different identity over a person with the same identity but a different philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a really good piece, and it reminds me of the reason I think it is better to organize around ideas than identities.  I&#8217;ll take an ally of a different identity over a person with the same identity but a different philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: sw</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-5155</link>
		<dc:creator>sw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay, Jack!  I was glad to see you with your sign at the march!

Thanks also for posting this year’s flyer – I hadn’t seen it yet, and I have to say it was surprising to see the Lesbian Avengers’ bomb icons alongside “women, womyn, wimmin” because to me they symbolize such different political frameworks.

&lt;b&gt;But it’s a whole other story when it’s communities that I expect more from, like queer communities. To be pushed into boxes by people who struggle against being shoved into boxes of their own, to be made to feel invisible and disrespected by people who know what it feels like to have to fight to be seen and respected for who one truly is - that’s a special kind of hurt right there.&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay, Jack!  I was glad to see you with your sign at the march!</p>
<p>Thanks also for posting this year’s flyer – I hadn’t seen it yet, and I have to say it was surprising to see the Lesbian Avengers’ bomb icons alongside “women, womyn, wimmin” because to me they symbolize such different political frameworks.</p>
<p><b>But it’s a whole other story when it’s communities that I expect more from, like queer communities. To be pushed into boxes by people who struggle against being shoved into boxes of their own, to be made to feel invisible and disrespected by people who know what it feels like to have to fight to be seen and respected for who one truly is - that’s a special kind of hurt right there.<br />
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		<title>By: sw</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-5154</link>
		<dc:creator>sw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay, Jack!  I was glad to see you with your sign at the march!

Thanks also for posting this year’s flyer – I hadn’t seen it yet, and I have to say it was surprising to see the Lesbian Avengers’ bomb icons alongside “women, womyn, wimmin” because to me they symbolize such different political frameworks.



Do you know Bernice Johnson Reagon's "Coalition Politics: Turning the Century?"  She wrote it in response to separatism at women’s music festivals in the early 80s – she does a great job of explaining why separatism at women’s music festivals is harmful, how festivals should really be seen as coalitions and how hard coalition work is:

"I wish there had been another way to graphically make me feel it because I belong to the group of people who are having a very difficult time being here. I feel as if I'm gonna keel over any minute and die. That is often what it feels like if you're really doing coalition work. Most of the time you feel threatened to the core and if you don't, you're not really doing no coalescing."

If you haven’t seen the piece, it’s included in Home Girls: A Black Feminist Anthology, Kitchen Table Press, 1983.  

At the meetings to organize the march, did you have a sense of who the activists were who wanted to define the march as women only and what their agenda was?  Were they older lesbians who had come out into lesbian feminism in the 70s and 80s, or younger people who have encountered the idea of “women-only” more recently?  Is this a transphobic response to the trans men’s protest last year?  Or a re-emergence of separatism for some other reason?  Or has the NY dyke march always been this way?

I’m new to the area, so last year was my first time at the dyke march here.  The Boston Dyke march website is much better:

Boston Dyke March
Join thousands of dykes, lesbians, bisexuals, queers, genderqueers, transwomen, transmen and their allies marching for political and cultural change.

I’m really curious as to why/how NY’s has gone in such a different direction…?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay, Jack!  I was glad to see you with your sign at the march!</p>
<p>Thanks also for posting this year’s flyer – I hadn’t seen it yet, and I have to say it was surprising to see the Lesbian Avengers’ bomb icons alongside “women, womyn, wimmin” because to me they symbolize such different political frameworks.</p>
<p>Do you know Bernice Johnson Reagon&#8217;s &#8220;Coalition Politics: Turning the Century?&#8221;  She wrote it in response to separatism at women’s music festivals in the early 80s – she does a great job of explaining why separatism at women’s music festivals is harmful, how festivals should really be seen as coalitions and how hard coalition work is:</p>
<p>&#8220;I wish there had been another way to graphically make me feel it because I belong to the group of people who are having a very difficult time being here. I feel as if I&#8217;m gonna keel over any minute and die. That is often what it feels like if you&#8217;re really doing coalition work. Most of the time you feel threatened to the core and if you don&#8217;t, you&#8217;re not really doing no coalescing.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you haven’t seen the piece, it’s included in Home Girls: A Black Feminist Anthology, Kitchen Table Press, 1983.  </p>
<p>At the meetings to organize the march, did you have a sense of who the activists were who wanted to define the march as women only and what their agenda was?  Were they older lesbians who had come out into lesbian feminism in the 70s and 80s, or younger people who have encountered the idea of “women-only” more recently?  Is this a transphobic response to the trans men’s protest last year?  Or a re-emergence of separatism for some other reason?  Or has the NY dyke march always been this way?</p>
<p>I’m new to the area, so last year was my first time at the dyke march here.  The Boston Dyke march website is much better:</p>
<p>Boston Dyke March<br />
Join thousands of dykes, lesbians, bisexuals, queers, genderqueers, transwomen, transmen and their allies marching for political and cultural change.</p>
<p>I’m really curious as to why/how NY’s has gone in such a different direction…?</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
		<link>http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/06/22/aint-i-a-woman/#comment-5096</link>
		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be remiss if I didn't add that because on the surface the lesbian community does seem to be mirroring the norm, even with different categories (or on our own terms), we're still making a similar power-driven model that includes distinguising criteria within those categories, adopted directly from the hierarchical norm, the top includes 'white, wealthy, young, etc.'   In that norm community, categories are ranked, and power relations entail enacting who is higher (or more empowered or 'better' than) who via posturing, poisitioning, allowing certain power level categories access, etc.  On the other end of the spectrum are those that don't fit and are shunned/locked out -- in the lesbian community, you might be a boi, or a softball dyke, or whatever label is positioned in the hierarchy, but as you noted with the acceptance of trans, it's contingent on looks and race and age, and I venture that the category itself has been on the lower part of the pyramid of access, though it may be moving up (I'm a little out of touch on the social scene).  Anyway, hence your predicament of not being welcomed -- you're not high up on that crappy model we seem to be mirroring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be remiss if I didn&#8217;t add that because on the surface the lesbian community does seem to be mirroring the norm, even with different categories (or on our own terms), we&#8217;re still making a similar power-driven model that includes distinguising criteria within those categories, adopted directly from the hierarchical norm, the top includes &#8216;white, wealthy, young, etc.&#8217;   In that norm community, categories are ranked, and power relations entail enacting who is higher (or more empowered or &#8216;better&#8217; than) who via posturing, poisitioning, allowing certain power level categories access, etc.  On the other end of the spectrum are those that don&#8217;t fit and are shunned/locked out &#8212; in the lesbian community, you might be a boi, or a softball dyke, or whatever label is positioned in the hierarchy, but as you noted with the acceptance of trans, it&#8217;s contingent on looks and race and age, and I venture that the category itself has been on the lower part of the pyramid of access, though it may be moving up (I&#8217;m a little out of touch on the social scene).  Anyway, hence your predicament of not being welcomed &#8212; you&#8217;re not high up on that crappy model we seem to be mirroring.</p>
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