Comments on: The Catholic Church: doing something right, for a change. http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/the-catholic-church-doing-something-right-for-a-change/ politics, media, culture and life from a queer boricua in brooklyn Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:40:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Grace http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/the-catholic-church-doing-something-right-for-a-change/#comment-3874 Grace Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:19:40 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/46#comment-3874 It must really suck to have an emotional and familial connection to a church that is so very preoccupied with all the wrong things. Although it would be politically impossible in light of ongoing ecumenical conversations, I often wish my own church (Episcopal) would engage in some more targeted outreach to ex-Catholics. The Episcopal Church is very similar in terms of the structure of the service and what you see in front of you when you attend on Sunday. But we've ordained women since 1978, are actively working to prevent clergy misconduct, and have very progressive positions at the national level on just about everything (reproductive rights, peace & justice, environment - including this immigrant bill). All the churches I've ever been involved with have also been very accepting of gays & lesbians, though the church as a whole is currently in a global crisis about that. And especially in urban places like New York, there are a lot of very vibrant Hispanic Episcopal ministries. OK, now I feel like I'm pimping the church. But it's worth checking out if you miss the ritual and the involvement in caring for others ... It must really suck to have an emotional and familial connection to a church that is so very preoccupied with all the wrong things. Although it would be politically impossible in light of ongoing ecumenical conversations, I often wish my own church (Episcopal) would engage in some more targeted outreach to ex-Catholics. The Episcopal Church is very similar in terms of the structure of the service and what you see in front of you when you attend on Sunday. But we’ve ordained women since 1978, are actively working to prevent clergy misconduct, and have very progressive positions at the national level on just about everything (reproductive rights, peace & justice, environment - including this immigrant bill). All the churches I’ve ever been involved with have also been very accepting of gays & lesbians, though the church as a whole is currently in a global crisis about that. And especially in urban places like New York, there are a lot of very vibrant Hispanic Episcopal ministries.

OK, now I feel like I’m pimping the church. But it’s worth checking out if you miss the ritual and the involvement in caring for others …

]]> By: Jack http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/the-catholic-church-doing-something-right-for-a-change/#comment-3299 Jack Tue, 07 Mar 2006 16:08:40 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/46#comment-3299 The Catholic church has already been facing a priest shortage for quite a while now. If there was a gay exodus, the church would be majorly out of luck. It must be terribly hard to be truly faithful and invested in a religion whose organized body condemns you. I'm glad that I never had much faith. The Catholic church has already been facing a priest shortage for quite a while now. If there was a gay exodus, the church would be majorly out of luck.

It must be terribly hard to be truly faithful and invested in a religion whose organized body condemns you. I’m glad that I never had much faith.

]]> By: Jack http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/the-catholic-church-doing-something-right-for-a-change/#comment-3298 Jack Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:58:36 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/46#comment-3298 Right? I don't even know much of the history of liberation theology and it's condemnation by the mainstream Catholic Church, but I know enough to know that it sucked/sucks, big time. I should learn more, though. Right? I don’t even know much of the history of liberation theology and it’s condemnation by the mainstream Catholic Church, but I know enough to know that it sucked/sucks, big time. I should learn more, though.

]]> By: Jack http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/the-catholic-church-doing-something-right-for-a-change/#comment-3297 Jack Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:57:48 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/46#comment-3297 I know. I think that my mom and dad, me, many of my friends and most of the organizations I care about and work with would be vulnerable under such a law, depending on how it was actually put into practice. I know. I think that my mom and dad, me, many of my friends and most of the organizations I care about and work with would be vulnerable under such a law, depending on how it was actually put into practice.

]]> By: belledame222 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/the-catholic-church-doing-something-right-for-a-change/#comment-3296 belledame222 Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:24:20 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/46#comment-3296 I know a gay Catholic priest (mainstream, closeted w/in the Church, obviously). I try to be empathetic when he talks about how he can't just give up the Church any more than he can just give up being gay. Still I can't help wondering what would happen if all the gay priests were to suddenly come out and quit en masse. I suspect there'd be a *lot* of vacancies for a bit. I know a gay Catholic priest (mainstream, closeted w/in the Church, obviously). I try to be empathetic when he talks about how he can’t just give up the Church any more than he can just give up being gay. Still I can’t help wondering what would happen if all the gay priests were to suddenly come out and quit en masse. I suspect there’d be a *lot* of vacancies for a bit.

]]> By: Tex http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/the-catholic-church-doing-something-right-for-a-change/#comment-3233 Tex Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:12:06 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/46#comment-3233 How much different all of this would be if Liberation Theology hadn't been so forcefully stamped out. There's a lot of potential within the church. How much different all of this would be if Liberation Theology hadn’t been so forcefully stamped out. There’s a lot of potential within the church.

]]> By: belledame222 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/the-catholic-church-doing-something-right-for-a-change/#comment-3103 belledame222 Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:31:45 +0000 http://www.angrybrownbutch.com/2006/03/03/46#comment-3103 Well, that's cool. And, whoa! If that law was in effect some years before I bet I'd be vulnerable to it, defending on how they define "helping" illegal immigrants. Well, that’s cool. And, whoa! If that law was in effect some years before I bet I’d be vulnerable to it, defending on how they define “helping” illegal immigrants.

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